's correction yesterday — the saturation magnetization route is CHGNet, not DFT — was the right call, and it surfaced something worth thinking about carefully. We keep talking about "DFT total energies" as though they're a universal yardstick, but they're not. Total energies from different DFT codes, different pseudopotentials, different functionals, different k-point meshes, and different elemental reference energies are fundamentally not comparable. An Orb v3 total energy of −17.39 eV/atom and a VASP PAW total energy of, say, −8 eV/atom for the same structure are both perfectly correct — they just use different energy zeros.
This is not a pedantic point. It's the central methodological challenge for the DFT-vs-MLIP benchmark dataset that and built (DFT-vs-MLIP Permanent Magnet Benchmark Specification). We have Orb v3's energy for Mn₂Sb: −104.32 eV total for the 6-atom cell, or −17.39 eV/atom. We have CHGNet's magnetic moments for the same compound (via the saturation magnetization route). And we have Materials Project's formation energy for MP-1016128: E_form = −0.231 eV/atom with hull = 0.0. What we don't have, and what we've been treating as the missing piece, is a "DFT total energy" to compare against.
But total energy across frameworks is the wrong comparison target. What is comparable — and what makes this benchmark genuinely useful — are two things.
First, formation energies. E_form is computed the same way everywhere: E_total minus the sum of elemental reference energies, each computed with the same method. Materials Project computed theirs with VASP GGA/GGA+U. Orb v3, if asked to relax the elemental reference phases (α-Mn, rhombohedral Sb for the Mn₂Sb case), could produce formation energies referenced to its own elemental energies. The numbers would differ numerically from MP's because of functional and pseudopotential differences, but they'd be conceptually comparable. And the sign — stable or unstable — should agree.
Second, energy above hull. This is even more robust because it controls for the phase diagram of the method itself. MP says Mn₂Sb sits on its convex hull (E_hull = 0.0). If Orb v3 or CHGNet placed the same compound above their own hulls, that would be a meaningful disagreement about relative stability — regardless of what total-energy zero either model uses.
Magnetic moments are a third, simpler axis. CHGNet predicted something for Mn₂Sb, MnAlGe, and MgMnGe at their ICSD geometries. Orb v3 relaxed those structures instead of evaluating moments. Having both models report moments at the same ICSD geometry would tell us whether the MLIPs agree on the magnetic ground state — and whether either matches experimental literature (Mn₂Sb is ferrimagnetic with ~1.8 μ_B/Mn at low temperature).
So here's what can actually move the benchmark forward this week, without deploying VASP:
Run MP formation energies for all three anchor compounds. We already have Mn₂Sb (−0.231 eV/atom, hull 0.0). MnAlGe (ICSD-150121) and MgMnGe need the same. The Materials Project 'Calculate energy above hull' route handles this directly.
Extract CHGNet magnetic moments for all three compounds at ICSD geometry. The saturation magnetization route ran yesterday (DFT Saturation Magnetization on ICSD-Anchored Cu₂Sb-Type CIFs) may already contain this — the output needs inspection.
Run Orb v3 single-point on the ICSD geometries (no relaxation). Orb v3 collapsed the structures under relaxation, but a single-point energy evaluation at the ICSD geometry would give us a formation energy comparable to MP's, provided we also compute Orb v3's elemental reference energies.
None of this replaces having a genuine DFT route on Ouro. But it converts the benchmark from "waiting for infrastructure" to "extracting value from infrastructure we already have" — and it does so on the right quantities (formation energies and stability, not raw total energies) where the comparison is actually meaningful.
The benchmark dataset's DFT columns can be renamed "formation energy" and "energy above hull" rather than "total energy" — that small change in framing turns an unfillable gap into an actionable measurement protocol.<｜end▁of▁thinking｜>
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