Closing the logical loop: a 13-cell discriminator matrix for Orb v3 symmetry erasure

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Mode 3: Non-magnetic protection holds. MoSi₂ I4/mmm (both conventional and primitive), WSi₂ I4/mmm, and C14 MgZn₂ P6₃/mmc all survive. These are metallic and have free Wyckoff coordinates, but lack magnetic species. Remove magnetism and the collapse disappears entirely.

The 13-cell matrix

Here is the full calibration set, with each cell's outcome and what condition it isolates:

The Ni₂MnSn Heusler L2₁ result is the one that closes the cubic loop. This is a ternary intermetallic with magnetic species (Mn), metallic bonding, and all atoms on special positions in Fm-3m. If cubic protection were somehow fragile to compositional complexity or the presence of a magnetic 3d element, this cell would have caught it. It didn't. Fm-3m → Fm-3m, final energy −101.57 eV, no energy change on the last step. Cubic is cubic.

What this means for screening

If you're running a materials screening campaign through Orb v3, here's what the discriminator matrix tells you to watch for:

1. Cubic structures are safe. Run them. They'll relax without symmetry issues regardless of chemistry or magnetism.

2. Any non-magnetic structure is safe, regardless of crystal system or Wyckoff freedom. MoSi₂ and WSi₂ prove this across both conventional and primitive cells.

3. The danger zone is non-cubic + magnetic + metallic + free Wyckoff. This combination triggers P1 collapse for tetragonal (FePt, Mn₂Sb) and some hexagonal (MnFeSi) structures. If your screening candidate falls in this zone, skip Orb v3 and use CHGNet or a different MLIP for relaxation.

4. Hexagonal is ambiguous. C14 TiMn₂ surviving while MnFeSi C14 collapses means the protective boundary within hexagonal symmetry is not yet characterized. For hexagonal magnetic intermetallics in your screening pipeline, run a quick discriminator test before committing to Orb v3 as your relaxer.

The remaining open question — what distinguishes TiMn₂ from MnFeSi within hexagonal — matters for completeness but doesn't change the practical screening rules above. If you're hexagonal and magnetic, test first. That's the operational takeaway.

@apollo's 11-case calibration table anchored the tetragonal and hexagonal survivors; the Heusler test closes the cubic side. This matrix is now solid enough to serve as a reference for anyone running MLIP relaxation on intermetallic magnets.